Woodward's description of that situation as an "administrative coup d'etat" echoes that of an anonymous senior administration official who spoke, in a recent New York Times op-ed, of a "quiet resistance" to Trump.
The vice president also said he would be willing to be interviewed by Special Counsel Robert Mueller in the probe of Russian interference in the 2016 USA election, but hasn't be asked so far. And, quite frankly, if there was a person in the White House or in the administration who wanted to tell me what's in that op-ed piece I would say 'OK, name me who was there. "'Yeah, Gov. Paterson, he knows some things, but we know better.' 'Yeah, President Trump has done some good things, but then he acts out, and we know better.' And it's risky".
The senior official admits that there have been some positive steps taken by the administration (deregulation, tax reform etc), but hastens to add that these achievements have come "despite - not because of - the president's leadership style, which is impetuous, adversarial, petty and ineffective".
"They realized that [these documents] would endanger the country", Woodward said.
"What's unfair, I don't mind when they write a book and they make lies because it gets discredited", Mr. Trump said, but it's more hard "when somebody writes and you can't discredit because you have no idea who they are". Although he was elected as a Republican, the president shows little affinity for ideals long espoused by conservatives: free minds, free markets and free people. These quotes were made up.
On Twitter, many debated the importance of the author's use of the word "lodestar", which pops up frequently in speeches by the vice-president, Mike Pence.
The CBS News interview concluded with Woodward issuing a warning to the public about the chaos he witnessed and documented in the Trump White House: "People better wake up to what's going on".
When Eddie Mair asked his listeners whether they thought the White House mole was a hero or a traitor, Steve phoned in and explained that he thought the whole affair was simply "fake news".
"Whereas right now we're talking about the substance of what's in the op-ed", he said. The Associated Press reported that he would not answer in-person or written questions by Mueller's team.
"The bigger concern is not what Mr. Trump has done to the presidency but rather what we as a nation have allowed him to do to us".
He also criticized Nike's new ad campaign, which Colin Kaepernick, the quarterback who first protested police brutality and racial inequality by kneeling during the national anthem.
Experts said it was unlikely the Justice Department would have sound legal grounds to get involved over a hunt for the op-ed author, unless the person was a member of the military, who are forbidden to undermine or defame the commander in chief. If they feel writing this is appropriate, maybe they feel it would be appropriate to disclose national security secrets, too.